Training Feedback -- 100 entries
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | "Make the change easy, then make the easy change". Writing a new test, then commenting it out, updating the code to work for the new test while keeping the existing tests working, then reinstating the new test to test the new code. | Good balance | Too much presentation | Maybe fit a shorter exercise later in the day instead of a long presentation and demo session | Excellent | Chances to go further with the exercises, if you are familiar with the basics, instead of working with someone new to the concept | Very good at engaging the audience during presentation and demo | Yes, we embedded several of these techniques already so we are not having to overhaul any processes or preconceptions | Miss-conceptions of people outside the software team that it is a slow or inefficient way of developing. |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | During the training James drove the point home on what it really means to make small, incremental, changes driven by behaviour-focused tests. This helps us stay focused, solving one problem at a time, and combined with the requirement that we must also make the test fail helps ensure the code works not by accident, but deliberately. | Good balance | Too much presentation | Overall this was a very good course. At times the presentation and/or demos would go on for a bit longer than what I would have hoped, especially towards the end on day 3. Breaking these long sections with an excersise, so say a presentation or demo section does not run longer than 20 minutes will help make the course more interactive and engaging. This is me nitpicking though. Overall there is a good balance. The video recordings are great in terms of content and I enjoyed the humour. Production quality is functional. I would only comment I found the flashing lights in the intro and outro sections a bit disconcerting. It should be possible to achieve the same lightning effect but whithout the entire screen flashing. | Excellent | It's hard to say how the excercises can be improved. The pacing and in-code guidance felt good. I also liked the choise to start with a circular buffer to avoid having too many unfamiliarities at once. | James' delivery of the content and the way he handled the sessions and engaged with the trainees was outstanding. | If we are talking literally tomorrow, then yes but not for work. Main reason being my role (Systems Engineer these days) on the project I'm currently on does not involve writing software (although I'm aware the software team are already employing TDD practices). That said, I'm more motivated to seek a role that does :) | I'm convinced to immediately change the way I write software, and employ TDD both for work and personal use. The key challenge will be how efficient I can be writing tests and skillful in demonstrating the value of TDD to other stakeholders, without presenting the tests as a necessary burden but a key part in making the development process more systematic and efficient. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Good | Much better | Yes | Seeing the fake it 'till you make it, quickly progressing TDD demo for the circular buffer. Learning about avoiding analysis paralysis and prioritising progress on the big ideas. | Too many exercises | Good balance | Videos were a bit too fast and not clearly enough explained for me. More visuals to point during a number of explanations would have been helpful. Lost me on some areas of the course e.g. end part where trying to test a legacy code unit. | Very Good | Yes | No challenges. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | The actual process of working with TDD. Beforehand I knew it was about writing tests first but it seems much more powerful/sensible than that. | Good balance | Good balance | My C++ isn't the best and so I did spend a bit of time grappling more with C++ than practicing TDD but that is mainly my fault as this is a C++ course. (as a bonus my C++ is now much better than before the course :) ) | Very Good | Perhaps more boiler plating so that I could focus more on writing tests and implementing new features. Gain though, if my C++ was better then this might be much less noticeable. | Really engaging, both in the recorded sections as well as the live bits! | For some parts of what I do. For full-stack components I will need to have a think and some research if TDD can be applied to front end dev work. Perhaps with something like selenium/robot framework etc | Slightly slower initial dev time. The business side might not like this as usually the tests are the first thing to be cut when there is a tight deadline. Doing the tests first/during means that they cannot be cut in the same way. It will need to be proven that TDD is faster overall. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Thinking in small pieces and applying it Test Doubles Hardware examples were interesting. | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | I will start tomorrow |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Good balance | Good balance | No direct suggestions, created some review remarks during course | Very Good | Yes, these are actionable lessons that I can directly apply in my day-to-day work. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Moderately | Yes | Knowledge of the tools that exist, as well as the beginning of a framework on implementing said tools. | Good balance | Good balance | I'm unsure at the moment. I'm relatively new with firmware and believe that the course was quite helpful. | Very Good | I felt there was often a disconnect between the exercise intent and what the students understood they were to do. Changing the description and/or lead up to the exercises may help clear up some of the confusion, leading to a more productivity. | I felt the instructor was knowledgeable and interested in teaching the class. However, some modification to the way some of the exercises are explained could be useful. Please see previous comment. | Yes and no. Some of the concepts are easy to apply to many situations. Others situations call for more finesse. For instance, how do you test the functionality between to pieces of hardware during integration? It'll often be different in each application and requires some thought. However, the course certainly laid down a decent framework and argument for going down the TDD path. | Firstly, standardization. Getting everyone to standardize on a TDD toolset and application of those tools will be quite difficult. Past that, it's just figuring out the correct method to apply it to the various efforts. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | As a technical manager, my learning focused on slightly different aspects of the training. The most useful thing I learned was how to justify "unit testing" to my colleagues in the project management department. One way in which we can justify unit testing (over system testing) is by simply pointing out that achieving coverage through system test alone takes exponentially more time and money than testing behaviors module by module (supplemented by integration/system tests, of course). | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | Internal surveys show that, on a scale from 1-5, the average attendee's confidence went up by +0.7 points in confidence for covering all appropriate edge cases and +0.5 points for developing embedded software when hardware is not available. 3 people, to my knowledge have already set up their test frameworks and are well on their way to adding to their test suites. | Our business is quality oriented, but many of our project managers believe in the fallacy of the iron triangle, where higher quality comes at a cost. This training equipped me with the facts I need to educate them better. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | TDD philosophy. I am not an embedded programmer but I see how TDD can be applied to any programming. | Good balance | Good balance | Possibly having more time to do the prep-work ahead of the training. Maybe a full week or two, I was trying to tie things up on other/regular work items up to the last minute before training. | Very Good | I would have been interested to learn more about CppuTest the first day. Not nitty gritty details, just more intro on the test syntax expected and why. | James was great, explained things clearly and I enjoyed learning about his why he does things the way he does. Very informative! | Yes, I will investigate other test frameworks since I don't need to use C or C++ for my programs. | I don't foresee any major workplace obstacles. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Good | Much better | Yes | How to use the testing framework. | Good balance | Good balance | It would be nice if both people could code at the same time for exercises. | Good | The instructor was very good. | Company Security poster. One shot deliverables that do not allow for continuous code improvement. One programmer per project. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | How to TDD was a new concept for me, so it was probably the most useful concept. | Good balance | Good balance | May a different explanation or more focus of the Test Doubles and Mock hardware section before starting the exercise. It didn't really make a lot of sense until James ran through it. | Excellent | Great job! Excited to see the book when we get it! | I could start and will apply other systems | No active standard of practice is currently established so working through that. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Moderately | Yes | The process for coding with test driven development. I found it useful when we started with semi easy examples to learn the testing process. | Good balance | Good balance | Potentially give more examples to work through. Light scheduler can be hard to navigate at first because we are brand new to it. | Excellent | Give homework or time to look over exercises before the class starts. | instructor was very knowledgeable. You could really tell he knew the material and how to teach it. | no. I would need to do a little research on my own and set up my own test harness. I do believe I could create my own project using TDD. | getting things approved through IT. Getting proper buy in from stockholders. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | learning how to add spies and fakes to code | Not enough exercises | Good balance | Very Good | simpler examples in the beginning so we feel more confident later on | very patient and helpful | No, I would need to update our existing code to work with testing. | Updating the existing architecture and file structure to accommodate testing |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good | Yes! My company is moving towards having a unit test framework already set up on our projects, so it will be fairly easy for me to incorporate TDD into my workflow. | One big challenge is that our embedded compiler is very slow. So I may end up taking slightly larger chunks than would be preferable in a TDD environment in order to minimize compiler usage. Another challenge is that we haven't fully incorporated a unit test framework for our GUI development yet. But this is something we're working on overcoming so I don't anticipate it being a long-term challenge. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | That TDD is an iterative process which can actually help implementing new features faster. Feedback loops should be fast in order to keep developers engaged. | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | James knows what he is talking about and is really good at engaging the crowd (even if they are Finns who don't feel that comfortable at keeping up the discussion) | You should start today. I could start applying TDD immediately once I start working on some code. | Perhaps the legacy environment makes this hard. Also build times can be limiting factor but those need to be tackled in order to keep TDD going. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | small steps by steps , more easily to get understand | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | Setting up tests for my code and mocking Hardware. | Good balance | Good balance | Presentations (code) occasionally tended to get "blurry", but may be a problem with my browser. | Good | Unfortunately did not get to do all the exercises and switched directly to our Ceedling test harness | Has a real long experience. | Yes. and I will have to, this is a must have. | We already started using TDD for 2 years, unfortunately I am an old schooler and needed to get hands on first, before getting down to it. |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | The systematic approach of how to write tests and code together. Also the need for a quick feedback loop. | Good balance | Too much presentation | To me it was not very clear which videos should be watched before the training sessions. This lead to a lot of information that I had already watched being presented again. | Excellent | Sometimes the instructions were not really clear. If this was not intentional to simulate real-world squishy requirements it would be good if the instructions could be improved. Also vim keybindings in code dojo would be nice :) | I enjoyed the presentation and the anecdotes. During excercises I personally would prefer just a nudge in the right direction instead of more in-depth help. | Yes, however, the first step would have to be invested in better setting up our compile-run_test feedback loops. | Mainly build time and code dependencies on a platform that is different from the development platform. Also legacy code that was not designed to be testable. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | TDD working loop, refactoring, clean tests. | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good | Check correctness of the exercises! There was some misleading instructions in the light scheduler exercises (or comments/videos contradicting the exercise instructions - I mean the "current state" and "what to do" was contradicting). Also there's even no link to cyber dojo in 3.6. | Already started | I guess to me biggest challenge would be helping others to start doing it |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | Firmly going forward with seemingly useless small steps, like for example: hardcoding return values. | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | Actually I'm already following TDD. From now on I'll be a bit more confident with it. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | This is the second time taking the coarse and the most useful thing was learning how to do right all the things I learned wrong the first time. I could understand the little minutia that makes a big difference in my understanding of how to do TDD. Interface and decoupling. Testing in isolation. Testing only interfaces not internal code implementation. How to use fakes and spies and what mocks actually do. | Good balance | Good balance | I found a number of Little things, particularly in videos that look like they evolved over time with patches. Not being a C++ user I got a bit frustrated with things C++ introduced and distracting from what I want to learn. | Very Good | Sometimes I did not understand what I was supposed to do. That might just be me though. Hints were helpful and rereading instructions helped. | I enjoy your humor and understanding of what we are faced with. Your knowledge was good. I like seeing that you make the same mistakes we do and did not edit it out to look like you always write perfect code the first time. | I am using it now. | Getting others on board with it. I am responsible for mandating its use. Are group will all be signing up to take this course very soon. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The structured approach of TDD and solving problems "one problem at a time". | Good balance | Good balance | Although there have been examples in the course, I would love to see more: "where do I start?". Breaking down a problem into parts and then writing your first test still feels like the hardest part. If you have any suggestions on a good read or course where I could improve this skill, love to hear that. The FFF-part of the course felt a bit overwhelming and took away my "focus" on what I had learned before. So I skipped this part initially. | Excellent | The level and pace of the course was perfect for me. That has to do with the exercises but also with the instructor. As a non-native English speaker the course was easy to follow along and very pleasant to watch. Very happy with the instructor. | Starting today! | - Where to start is a challenge - Legacy code :) |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | Mindset for small iteration cycles Mocking | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The strategy of only writing code to make a test pass. If you do this well you won't end up with a bunch of test debt and instead will generate functional code in a consistent and manageable way. | Good balance | Good balance | Perhaps if for each concept there was more than one example. For instance, for testing direct inputs and direct outputs only one example was given and that was the circular buffer, maybe another example of testing direct inputs and outputs could be given. | Excellent | No comment. | Yes I have begun integrating TDD into my work as much as possible. Even if I only apply TDD to a small section of my code base I feel a lot more secure about that section of code which allows me to focus on other sections of code. | Remaining calm in the face of tight deadlines and not just starting to write code, instead writing in a TDD fashion. There is also a pressure to produce something that to other team members / clients appears to represent a lot of output, think UI or actuators, however it is very easy to get something to look like it's working and not very easy to get something working robustly that's well architected to be extensible and maintainable. Managing these expectations is difficult. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The physics of TDD and how to appropriately strategize when developing using TDD. How to go about what tests to write (ZOMBIES), the TDD micro cycle, and in general learned about writing code proactively and pragmatically in a systematic and simple manner. It is a common misconception to think about TDD as just a means of writing unit tests. In this training, I learned about how tests can drive the implementation of the production code one small step at a time. Overall, I also learned to be proactive with my development approach. | Good balance | Good balance | I believe overall the course was great and covered everything very well. But the legacy code section could be improved further with an example/demo of how to adapt TDD for the new code that gets added to the legacy code. Dragging the existing legacy code to the test environment is a challenge, so I know it's not very straightforward. But I think in most scenarios, the legacy code is tested by other means, in some cases unit tests, but in some cases using functional, integration, and systems level tests. So it would be nice to understand the physics of how to write tests for the new code that gets added to the legacy code. | Excellent | Exercises were great. Maybe could be even more embedded systems focused? | James is great! I absolutely love his calm, fun, and very practical way of presenting sometimes rather difficult to grasp topics. I love how James is very approachable and friendly on top of being a master of the field. I certainly appreciate James and his support as an instructor. | Yes I can. The only issues/blockages I may face would be regarding which tests to write. I know we discussed the ZOMBIES approach, but if we could have a high-level step-by-step; it would do great wonders. Also, setting up the makefiles and test environment could be a blocker. | Adding tests for the new code added on top of the legacy code. The new code somehow depends on the old code and needs to be taken into considerations. The overall dependencies. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | Using Mocks, Spies and Fakes for testing. This training has reinforced and supplemented what I have learned from reading James' book on TDD. | Good balance | Good balance | Better step by step description of what is expected while doing the exercises (i.e., test requirements). We were often confused on how to start or what to do next even after looking at the vague instructions. | Good | Very knowledgeable guy and good presenter. Takes a very dry topic and makes it interesting and fun. | Yes, I have already started. | None, it is encouraged! |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | TDD helps us reducing bugs by driving the implementation I am testing. This has genuinely surprised me to see the implementation evolved from a "stupid" hardcoded return value, to the actual action I wanted the code to do. If I had to pick one, and because it is funny, I'll do for the ZOMBIES. Although I was skeptical at the beginning of testing "nothing" (the zero case). It sounds counter intuitive to test that at creation nothing happens. Well, this was before really driving the implementation by the tests. And start growing the tests, and then the implementation, with just what we need. | Good balance | Good balance | I think there was enough exercises. It is challenging in 4 hours to have interaction with James, doing exercises, presentation, reviews, so this was a great balance IMO. The gather tower is a really fun way to interact to each other. The dojo site provides a ready to use exercises so we do not need to bother to setup the environment, and let us focus on the concept of TDD. Excellent. Having the book is a must have in my opinion, as it has all the concepts explained in the sessions, but even more. Participating to the class could provide a discount to the attendees. | Very Good | The dojo website makes us focusing on the TDD aspect of it, awesome. I wish there were a more collaborative view embedded in dojo, where I could see the cursor of my peer and we could interact together simultaneously, but thanks to the app gather that was not a need anymore. All the exercises were well guided and concrete. I would have liked to have a better continuity to the exercises: we started with a simple example without dependencies; then a more real life example with dependencies. Yet, I think it would have helped me to have the CircularBuffer in use in the LightScheduler. Given the "octopus" of collaborators mentioned by james, the buffer would be at the very bottom, and the LightScheduler some layers above. But I am not sure now, since I have tests for my circular buffer, how is this impacting my tests for the light scheduler. Does it even matter? That is something I'd have liked to explore. | James is awesome, I could feel is experienced, he is humbled. We did have minor presentation issues, but that's what presentation is, isn't it? I loved the time spent during the sessions, James knows what he talks about, have plenty of stories to be told, and is very clear on the intent of the class. The videos are funny! | I'll start right away! Although my very first application won't be TDD as I have to create the unit tests for a recent legacy code that has been created, so the last session about the legacy code was definitely helpful. | Applying the concept of TDD given the time pressure for deliveries. But we have a really good testing culture at my companies, but only for Hardware in the loop, which tends to be really expensive, time consuming, complex, and does not help much to find the bug early. We do have unit testing, but not every devs do testing, so why not spreading that cultures. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | The hardware mocking concepts | Good balance | Good balance | The legacy part maybe was a too long and the hardest to follow, probably more hands on in that case would help. | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | I learned that if you fix one thing at a time it is easier to work consistent over time. | Good balance | Too much discussion | This course can be approved by stating the level you need to be at in the different languages. For example: Expert at C#, novice at C etc. | Excellent | Not sure they can be improved in terms of content. The exercises where relevant to real world scenarios. What can be improved is having equal amount of exercises for C, C++ and C#. | I can not start tomorrow because i need to practice more with C#. | Not many challenges except finding a usecase that is easy enough to get started with. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Good | A little | Yes | brainstorm the test, test the target fail, implement/fix the target the retest until the test is success. | Good balance | Good balance | If somehow the learner know a little bit about the syntax/statement of the framework in advance. | Very Good | it is kind of hard the first time to know what the framework statement do. After understand the big picture, then the exercise can be tackle easier, specifically for dependency exercise. If we have a class relationship first, then it is very helpful. | I cannot because my project does not apply TDD. | Division/department/project has to approve applying TDD. |
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TDD for C++ | Excellent | A little | Yes | The Importance of using tests while coding. | Not enough exercises | Too much presentation | More coding sessions for general practice. | Excellent | Smaller groups, longer sessions. | Tremendous effort, patience, and creativity. | Yes | Secret server, no internet resources |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The overall workflow of TDD. | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | I appreciate the hands-on and detailed help James provide for the attendees. | No (due to immediate tasking), but will start as soon as possible |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The capability and principles of TDD. I am now very familiar with how to move through testing either new code or existing code. I came into this course with little to no knowledge on how to write tests. Now, I can say I feel comfortable in trying to implement this in my code in my projects. | Good balance | Good balance | There is a lot of prep work that we do have to do when going into this. However, I know due to the time constraints and nature of this course, it's not easy to fit everything in. I think either a longer training time would be great. But, there is also a self-paced option that is offered as well, so not complaining much either. | Excellent | N/A | James was pretty clear in giving instructions. So clear that even the exercises were still a good step by step process into achieving your goal. This would eventually translate to what I can do in my own code. | I could. I am currently writing up some unit testing for our code in my project right now. The only problem right now is mainly because it is code that I did not work on directly. Already looking through it I know that it will be difficult to create good testing. | Challenges are that a lot of the code that I would work on are already established. Main thing is just getting familiarized with the code to be able to build good tests. That may get lost in translation. I think I would be able to put everything into practice if I was able to have a fresh start. However, that would be a feat in itself. |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The whole approach of test driven development | Good balance | Good balance | The only issue I had was not being able to access the course through my work computer | Excellent | the exercises were great | Yes, I think I can start tomorrow with using what I learned today | The only challenges sometimes is any changes to a code net to make an output file to an SD card or burn it to a CD to test it in the hardware we have |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Good | Much better | Yes | Breaking down code operations to smaller actions. | Good balance | Good balance | Better prep for concepts. | Very Good | Better understanding of the source code used. | Did well explaining the concepts he was sharing. | Yes, one step at a time. | Legacy code with a lot of dependencies. |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Good | Much better | Yes | Getting used to testing early and often instead of waiting for the very to test and try to solve the errors then. | Good balance | Good balance | I think the course was taught very well, maybe slow down a little bit when presenting the code during the lecture part | Good | Maybe give better instructions on what is required for the exercises, they were a bit confusing at times | Great instructor, very passionate about the subject and always willing to help out. | Yes, I am currently working on a C# project and I am taking it step by step so now I can implement TDD while developing my code. | No challenges that I can think of. I have a good idea of TDD now |
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TDD for C++ | Good | Much better | Yes | Learning about the mock class. | Good balance | Good balance | I do wish that the course was mostly in c# because that is the language that I am familiar with. | Very Good | A tad more guidance with the exercise. Most of the tasking was straight forward, but some was unclear on the instructions. | Instructor is nice and helpful. | Yes because I took the course to apply the teachings in my work. | Making sure that everyone else is on board. |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Good | Much better | Yes | How to do about testing my code | Not enough exercises | Too much presentation | Start testing from a fresh project and have class follow along. This will help all those who are very new. | Good | Start simpler | yes, because I have to. | Legacy code |
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TDD for C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | How to start thinking of test code and how to use it in certain scenario. Surely this is more dominately effective for embeeded system but this can work with framework coding as well. | Good balance | Good balance | The C# actually threw me off using the mocking feature. I did not fully understand how to use that syntax/ | Excellent | This was perfect. I do think that having a little more time for the excersize would be perfect as well. | You did awesome. Thank you for the help you provided. | POssibly. I do need to think of how to create stubs to work on the framework and see if we can get the Mock code on there | There is a lot of restrictions within the government on porting in code from online sources |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | Test Driven Development fundamentals | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent |
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TDD for C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | I learned how TDD works | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C | Good | Much better | Yes | How to write test for C/C++ using TDD methods like Zombies | Good balance | Good balance | Some of the code between exercises would change and either be too far back or ahead of the previous spot. | Very Good | I wish the dojo used for the code exercises had better coloring and syntax filling abilities. Definitely made it slower than needed. | Good, he really likes TDD | Yes, Although this may not always be something I can use due to the size of some legacy code. But all new code! | There is a very sizable legacy code work base. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Learning that in the long run, TDD provides less buggy code. Also, learning the incremental process of TDD. | Good balance | Good balance | I think if we get more into the real world where you have to deal with legacy code. When I went back to work and did a story I noticed that it first took a long time just to figure out the code first. I think a good exercise would be to take some legacy code and write tests for it to understand the code. | Excellent | If we had to work with some legacy code that was not necessarily from our personal work where there are security issues. But instead the instructor set up some legacy code in an example for us to deal with. That would have been worthwhile. | The instructor had excellent presentation skills. | Like I said, the issue is when you deal with legacy code it is hard to jump in and just perform TDD. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | The most important thing I learned was a refresher in TDD. I do like having a testing framework and having tests to guide my development. I don't fully agree with the TDD ideology. I think if I was in an organization that fully embraced it I might feel different. | Good balance | Good balance | Extend the course hours and include more material to work on. The web interface is clunky and hard to find stuff and go to gather town and such but did not take away from the material of the class. | Very Good | The exercises were good the way they are. I am not sure I can offer an improvement. | Instructor is good at what he does and how he communicates it. | Yes, since we already use testing frameworks and apply some of the principles of TDD. I am not sure we can implement all the principles only because it's hard to code prior to a design. | Creating tests before we know what to build. At least have some sort of design in place prior to coding. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | The most useful thing I learned was how to use the tools like fakes/spies/mocks to make testing much better while you are in different stages of implementation. | Not enough exercises | Good balance | I think this course could be improved by having more time working on the exercises in groups. I found the pair programming to be very helpful but we were not able to complete the exercises. | Very Good | The exercises were well thought out and easy to follow. One thing I think could be improved is to maybe break up the group exercises into multiple parts so that we could complete a part, discuss, then continue with the rest. | James is very enthusiastic which makes it easy to pay attention to what he is talking about and following along. Also he was very helpful during the exercises with nudging us in the right direction and leading us onto the TDD path when we went astray. | No. The code we have is legacy and has a large amount of dependencies. On top of that we currently have no means to simulate the hardware for our embedded system. However this paradigm could be applied to future projects. | One challenge is the size and complexity of the existing code. Some parts of the code are decades old and interfaces between C++ and ADA are fragile. Another challenge the time it takes to run tests. With no way to run the code outside of the actual hardware out test feedback loop is in the realm of 10-20 minutes rather than seconds. An ever present challenge is schedule, it will be difficult to carve out enough time for the team to refactor and apply TDD to our existing code. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | I learned how TDD can facilitate writing code with minimal bugs, in a much shorter time. I also learned that it assures the developer that his code does what he/she thinks it should do. | Good balance | Good balance | I don't see a way the course could be improved, but at least for me it would be more beneficial if it was spread over a longer period. May be having a session every other day, so that trainees can have more time to deepen/solidify what they're learning. | Excellent | I don't have any recommendations for that. | The Instructor is very knowledgeable on the subject matter and he makes every effort to make sure trainees are learning the material. | I can start tomorrow. I feel like I'm in a good position to start applying what I've learned. | No challenges. |
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TDD for C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Its important to do things in incremental steps. Failing tests on purpose will prove functionality of your code when the test passes. | Good balance | Good balance | Less time spent on reviewing the classes' code | Excellent |
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TDD for C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | The ideas for TDD | Good balance | Too much presentation | Maybe after finishing exercises, provide possible solutions | Good | Yes, but would need the entire team to be on board |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The difference between Spies, Fakes, and Mocks | Not enough exercises | Too much presentation | I would have benefitted from more exercise time. I believe the wingman website would be improved by marking a section yellow when it has been started. | Excellent | More time struggling with the code | very knowledgable | not quite. I would like to finish the exercises before I'm confident | Integrating them into our CI/CD pipeline |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | The most useful thing I learned was how helpful it was to take those little steps in TDD and getting a really fast feedback loop going. | Good balance | Good balance | I thought this course was excellent and cannot at this time think of any improvements. | Excellent | I liked the light bulb exercise but the circular buffer exercise was not as exciting. | I think you did an excellent job explaining the various concepts of TDD and the one on one help the rooms was nice as well. | Yes, I can start tomorrow because the concepts taught in this course were clear and concise and can be easily applied to my current work. | The challenges would be getting team members who did not take this course apple TDD concepts in the same way we did here. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Practicing how to break down coding into testable steps | Good balance | Good balance | Even more hands on practice would be great | Excellent | Presented ideas in a clear and meaningful way |
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TDD for C++ | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | How spies work under the hood | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | Large codebase. Already doing TDD, but I need to alter my workflow to write more tests upfront. Hard to test interactions between many components. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Moderately | Yes | Good balance | Good balance | Good |
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TDD for C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The different ways to test | Good balance | Good balance | The course was easy to understand and get into | Very Good | The description of some of the exercises were slightly confusing or vague. But not enough that it couldn't be figured out what to do given enough time. | The instructor was very knowledgeable and often provided a lot of advice when we were stuck. | I think it would take time to make changes to my current workflow to get it implemented. | The current workflow my workplace has feels sufficient already. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Moderately | Yes | Learning how to break down tests into a very minimal form and building up to a complete test suit for a particular system. | Good balance | Good balance | Some of the video quality was not to good at the beginning although it was fixed in the end. So perhaps just remembering to set up the video settings before class begins. | Good | N/A | Instructor is very knowledgeable on the topics and definitely has a lot of experience which allow him to clearly convey information as well as relate to the problems students may encounter in their day to day code. | There is definitely a curve to learning how to get away from current non-TDD mindset to a more TTD approach so this is why it can take a bit to start. | Time constraints may come into play for trying to do things in a different manner. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | I learned that tdd is just the best way for embedded project to grow the ability to know why your code is working and why it is failing makes such a difference in production and deployment of product | Not enough exercises | Too much presentation | It can be improved if it made more beginner friendly | Very Good | they can be improved by providing proper background to the problem we are solving and what are we trying to achieve Also a simpler example leading to complex problem would be a great addition | perfect | i cannot start tomorrow because i have to revise and get clear concepts and read some more material about tdd especially about mock stubs and fakes | too much legacy code and very bad deadlines |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | How to test and develop at the same time | Good balance | Good balance | Perhaps a install guide for cppu test at start of the course, would be nice to follow along natively on machine | Excellent | I work a lot with STM32's so I'd love a specific example using a dev bord perhaps, starting with some desired functionality (using GPIO's, ADC's, SPI or reading and writing to flash). Maybe as a final assignment or something just to get the full embedded dev experience. | James is fantastic | No, there is still a fair amount of work to do to intergrade TDD into the teams workflow and flush out the inevitable kinks with changing workflow. | Being able to accurately emulate the microcontrollers to a point where tests will be an accurate and a reasonable recommendation |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | - Break chain ofhardware dependencies - If you need change later, TDD will help you so much amd make you sure all changes will be what you indeed - You won't too much effort about DLP(debug later programming) - Don't too much think where your driver go. MAke a list what you need and then write test for each and make it pass! You will see your driver is getting complete! | Good balance | Good balance | it may be achieved by telling more topic of TDD before starting to training. | Excellent | Salute to this man! He is absolutely guru of embedded software and TDD! He was so much about the attendees and always answer the questions with patient. | I don't think so because ı need much more information to implement all idea to my code. But at some point, ı think ı have to start it with no need more knowledge about TDD. Sometimes you learn on the way! |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | Getting hands on guided practice with TDD. | Good balance | Good balance | Maybe push us a bit more prior to the training to have us work out with you what we want to work on in our code prior to starting the training course. I felt like we struggled to select a direction that would also utilize your time well on the last day. | Excellent | No comments | Yes, we have some of our code setup to work with TDD and I understand the process now. | Time getting everything going. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | How to integrate cpputest into legacy code. | Not enough exercises | Good balance | On days 3 & 4, I felt like more planned exercises would have been useful for engagement. | Excellent | N/A | James is a very personable teacher. The whole team grew to appreciate his knowledge and expertise. | We are well prepared to make TDD a crucial part of our dev workflow. | Team buy-in |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Good | Much better | Yes | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The value of TDD | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | Yes! |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Very Good | Moderately | Yes | How TDD can help test small portions of code as they are being developed to ensure that bugs are identified and addressed as close to their introduction point | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good | Need to identify the right way to introduce TDD into the target environment (a physical device) where most of our code runs. | Specific target environment with multiple hardware and software interfaces and layers |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | Very good concept of Test Driven Development and the benefit of using it. | Good balance | Good balance | This course is great the way it is planned. | Very Good | The demos and the hints are very helpful for exercises. However, a bit more hints for exercises would also be great - and attendee should choose to go to hint or ask for help. | James did a fanatic job of teaching this course. Thank you, James! I really enjoyed the class. You delivered it well, and I was really my great pleasure to learn so much from you. | Yes, I definitely will start to apply what I learn from this course today. | Working with massive legacy codebase. Refactor will be a challenge. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | The process of building up new features in very small steps based on tests. | Good balance | Good balance | Maybe more of a focus (exercises) on integrating TDD into large legacy code-bases. Many people wouldn't be able to have "Greenfield" scenarios, and I don't think there was an actual exercise that we had to go through to begin testing in a scenario where there was a lot of legacy code already written. | Very Good | Just as mentioned above, an exercise to add unit testing and begin TDD in a legacy code scenario. | James is enthusiastic and helpful. I also liked his corny programming jokes. | I doubt it. There are many many different modules that our team contributes to, and there are many other people that contribute to those different modules as well. I think our team will have to come up with a strategy to try and implement TDD for our scenario, but it likely will take time to get to that point. | There are many different git repositories that we contribute to, and we are not the owners on many of them. We don't necessarily always have the authority to decide whether unit testing and TDD are options for different repos. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The first steps for TDD. | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | Yes! | At this moment, I'm student and freelancer, so I will start to implement these ideias as soon as possible. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | Fail the test case first and then make it pass and refactor. | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | How to write the tests that will drive the development. | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | On new code yes, on legacy code not yet - that's more trick and requires some more learning. | Legacy code! |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | TDD does not require too much time: you are going to spend that time anyway when you write code and figure out the different scenarios. With TDD you get to keep that work; without TDD you lose it after you are done writing the code. (I was already convinced of the value of testing). | Good balance | Good balance | You can see that it already went through so many iterations...really difficult to find something to improve | Very Good | Yes, even today! | Existing code base with tests: still going to apply the boys scout motto ;-) |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Bring it on! | Yes | I found learning about mocks and fakes was incredibly useful. I had taken a course in college that introduced me to the fundamentals of using different debugging techniques and TDD, however mocks and fakes were never discussed. | Good balance | Good balance | Maybe a brief overview of how to setup CppUTest to work on a machine after we have gone through the course using cyber-dojo to get an idea of how to setup/integrate it into a codebase. | Excellent | N/A | James was incredibly helpful whenever questions were asked and at making sure no one got stuck during the exercises. | Yes! I've already begun integrating unit tests into my current project | One challenge is the reliance on some large third-party libraries, such as OPC which could be potentially challenging to test |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | I have experience writing unit tests from previous jobs but never looked at TDD. This class has helped me to learn to focus on a problem by breaking it down to pieces. I love the coverage on fakes and mocks. | Good balance | Good balance | Excellent | He is clear, precise and answers questions very clearly. I love how the class is very interactive. This is probably the best training I've ever taken. It never got boring. | I think I can. | Deadlines. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | Testing is crucial. You have to make the initial investment and get your testing in place. You then feel comfortable changing code knowing that you have your safety net around you. | Good balance | Too much discussion | Excellent | A bit more clear instructions. I sometimes had to re-read the instructions multiple times to understand what I'm reading. | The initial time investment of setting up the test environment. From the scrum master/product owner perspective, this time doesn't produce any output to the product. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | How to slow down and not try to solve every problem at once! Ways to isolate and test specific functionality without having to go through a time-consuming build process. | Good balance | Good balance | I don't think it can be improved past this point. Paraphrasing James, I don't think that the course should be designed to convince naysayers that they should embrace TDD. The combination of the lectures, videos, and exercises leads you to your own conclusions on whether TDD would be right for your project at its current stage; I think that many people will find value in TDD as they are gradually exposed to its concepts. | Very Good | More consistency between the instructions for each exercise and the instructional comments within each exercise codebase. Led to some minor confusion a couple of times. | Knowledgeable and amiable. Quite refreshing to have an instructor who is not only able to answer most of your questions, but also provide the correct level of details to be able to ask them. | Probably not. Our code base is pretty far along and needs to be completed sooner rather than later. I am not sure if the benefits of TDD would be recognized by other members of the product team given they already think the process is slow. | I believe that all employees, not just software engineers, could be convinced of the benefits of TDD when applied to a brand-new or future product. I'm concerned that slowing development down (even with the promise of saving time in the future) would be unpalatable to many employees working on a preexisting product. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Bring it on! | Yes | How to do TDD on Embedded Systems. I didn't know it was possible. | Good balance | Good balance | It was a bit overwhelming the first day, trying to get through the pre-work and find what we need to do. It was better once we got the rhythm of it. | Excellent | I would love to but I probably can't, because I did not get a chance to setup the environment and I need to switch projects for a min. | Getting people on board with it. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Moderately | Yes | mock interface | Good balance | Good balance | it's ok like that | Excellent | it's ok like that | very smart guy! | I already started more than 10 years ago... | no challenges |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | spy/fake design and mock obj | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good | James was very prepared and clear. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | How to mock the hardware and build the code completely off the target. | Good balance | Good balance | If it is not already possible, it would be great to have the live recording of the three lessons, at least the parts related to live explanations and live demo exercises (e.g: Legacy code setup) in order to review some details that I can have missed. | Very Good | I don't think excercises need to be improved, I believe they are a good start point to practice with tdd. | Very nice person, with great experience on programming. He gave us many advices and suggestions and he was able to keep us focused on the lessons all the time. | Yes, I think so, because I have much more information and references to set up a test environment and start to work with tdd. | These ideas are already applied for software, our goal is to apply also for firmware projects. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | How writing tests helps you better focus the requirements, and the power of pair programming | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good | Great communication skills. | Still need to get a grip on how to integrate CppUTest in Eclipse on Windows. Maybe the day after tomorrow? | Extensive legacy code base, will take some time to make it work with CppUTest. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | I learned that I can test everything and even Legacy should not haunt me. | Good balance | Good balance | A better code interface where developers can edit at the same time. | Excellent | Perhaps some interface where the coders can edit the code at the same time. | Very kind man. Great speech skills. | Yes, now I have everything I need to skip the worst part of the learning curve. | Tests where we have no control of what can happen. Network management in embedded devices for instance. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | I learned alot about not just TDD, but also about the do's and dont's of c++/c programming. refactoring, testing in general (testing doubles), rethinking. This course will not only benefit me in the context of TDD, but benefit me everywhere in my development. | Good balance | Good balance | I think that everything was perfekt. | Excellent | As a non C++/C developer I found it very easy to find my way around. I actually finished all the required exercises without any issues and enjoyed doing so. | Im not sure. Its not an easy step to do and it for sure cannot happen from today to tomorrow as it takes a whole rethinking the thinking :). But I for sure will push because I believe and have seen that its benefits are evident. |
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TDD for Embedded C/C++ | Excellent | Much better | Yes | I learned alot about not just TDD, but also about the do's and dont's of c++/c programming. refactoring, testing in general (testing doubles), rethinking. This course will not only benefit me in the context of TDD, but benefit me everywhere in my development. | Good balance | Good balance | I think that everything was perfekt. | Excellent | As a non C++/C developer I found it very easy to find my way around. I actually finished all the required exercises without any issues and enjoyed doing so. | Im not sure. Its not an easy step to do and it for sure cannot happen from today to tomorrow as it takes a whole rethinking the thinking :). But I for sure will push because I believe and have seen that its benefits are evident. |
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TDD for C++ | Very Good | Much better | Yes | of course - how tdd works | Good balance | Too much discussion | Very Good | good, understandable sequence of arguments, some experiences from past work -> good mixture | yes | setup a Test environment will be a big callenge |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | While I have been using NUnit and Ceedling for about a year, the approach to develop the test cases in small steps is something I don't do, is more in "bigger steps". I do believe that TDD is very helpful both during development and in maintenance; I have had to do releases for which I am confident QA tests will fully pass because I already have the test cases in place for the code. | Good balance | Good balance | Personally I struggled a little with the mocks. | Very Good | As mentioned, I did struggle with the mocks, when first started the exercise I didn't know what to do because the concept was not fully understood. | Yes, already using it, it is a matter of slowing down and do little steps. | TDD is largely applied, so there is buy-in. The biggest challenge is that the projects I work in are legacy, so all test cases are implemented (as explained in the training) as new features or changes to the code are done; following this we already have hundreds of test cases covering a lot of the code. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | I liked the idea of putting the code that interacts with hardware in as contained spot as possible | Good balance | Good balance | Good | I think the problems could have more context. Some times I had code that performed the task required but was different enough I had to redo a lot of it for a continuation of the problem. | In instructor was good | I can start on my next project |
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TDD for Embedded C++ | Very Good | Much better | No | importance of small[er] steps | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good | I spent hours working on exercises after each day's sessions, and never got through all of them. | Yes | No safety net of existing unit tests for 99% of the codebase. A couple of products use an embedded environment without any OS where nearly every piece of code interacts with hardware in non-portable, non-emulatable ways (even writing text to the screen buffer), and the production code only just barely fits available memory due to repeated refactorings focused upon reduced compiled code size. Utility modules, which seem like the most amenable to TDD, are also sometimes the most tedious since they often need to implement a long list of standard interfaces to increase their usability, and so it would be nice to have a canned set of tests to ensure that the dusky corners of those interfaces get implemented properly. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | The approach for developing. Introduction of fake and mock concepts etc... | Good balance | Good balance | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C | Very Good | Much better | Yes | The minute details of the TDD test cycle, like deliberately making the production code function return the wrong value to verify that the test itself is catching this. I've done TDD before, but at a much coarser granularity, skipping perhaps too much of Uncle Bob's second law. | Good balance | Good balance | "Self-Paced TDD for Embedded C (Beta)" has several minor (technical) issues. These do not take away any of the value, and after they get ironed out in the release version, you have a pretty solid course. I would have liked to see some exercises on unit testing legacy code, but of course this may be hard to do in cyber-dojo. | Very Good |
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TDD for Embedded C | Good | Much better | Yes | This isn't the first time I hear about TDD. I've read a couple of books about it and tried it out once or twice. And we've been using CppUTest for unittests for the past 3-4 years. So in that sense I did not learn anything new, but it was a good opportunity to get some experience applying TDD in the exercises. | Good balance | Too much presentation | We followed the self-paced online version of the TDD for embedded C course. Since there was quite a lot of video material to watch, sometimes it was a bit difficult to keep paying attention. Maybe some of the video material could be replaced by guided exercises? I liked the exercises that had comments in them to guide us through the process, that's something that may also be useful for showing "bad examples" (ie what does not work / disadvantages of not applying TDD or going too fast etc). | Very Good | I think the exercises are good as they are, if the couple of issues related to them still being in the beta phase are resolved. | Very energetic and enthousiastic. | I started applying TDD about a week ago, but it's not easy given the quality of existing code. | There are a couple of "loud" coworkers who keep pushing the "TDD is a waste of time, we don't need unittests, get to writing code and then use the debugger" narative. |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | I've not used TDD before, so the initial setup/introduction/theory was all very useful! | Good balance | Good balance | I think maybe a little more introduction at the beginning about cpputest / environment. | Excellent | I think what would be useful for me would be some more exercises where you are doing one side of the process... either righting the code or righting the test. That would be somewhat representative of how I would use this in actual development. | The videos were super helpful! Including common mistakes, etc was great. | No (IT hurdles), unless you count prep... if so, YES | Setting up the environment, toolchain, etc. You've made it manageable to start from 'scratch', but there is still work to be done! |
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TDD for Embedded C | Excellent | Much better | Yes | The most useful thing was that I was able to experience the TDD methodology which is many lessons in one. | Good balance | Good balance | The instruction on the later exercises was not as clear and directed as the earlier exercises. I appreciate approximate time expectations listed in the module summary to help keep me on task and plan my day. | Very Good | I like the DoJo but there are a LOT of creature comforts that are missing in that platform. But at the same time I didn't want to make the investment in offloading the exercise files into my own environment. | James, I like your balance of instruction and humor. I liked hearing bits of your story and involvement with the early Agile and TDD days. You come across as authentic and are easy to understand. | Not quite tomorrow, but soon. I don't have CI setup for any projects yet. It's not easy to get the government to get with the times. | My office does their best but we are still subject to all the red tape of the government. |
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